Amy Borrus is the Executive Director of the Council of Institutional Investors, or CII, the prominent U.S. trade group that represents asset owners and managers around corporate governance issues. Borrus, a former journalist for Business Week, talks with Jon about the ways ESG and corporate governance have evolved in the 30+ years she’s been following the industry, the enduring issues with dual-class voting and say-on-pay measures, and what the future looks like for investors. Listen below on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your shows.