Daniel Roy is one of the world’s leading close-up magicians and an expert card manipulator. He’s performed on Penn and Teller’s “Fool Us” and at Hollywood’s premiere Magic Castle. Roy, 25, is also an astute student of neurobiology who has presented at the American Neuropsychiatric Association’s annual conference. Listen as he talks to Jon about his origin story, magic, and the human ability to self deceive. Listen below on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, or wherever you get your shows.